Keyless Ignition Failure

[rodders]

The keyless ignition system has some real failings.

Departure Problem:
The ignition needs to be on to wheel the bike out of the garage, to unlock the steering. If you now change jackets or leave the your keys in the back door, you can ride to your destination without the keys. And then you are stuck, and cannot ride back.

Simple solution:
The bike should give a screen warning, when it no longer has contact with the key-fob.
. . . "Key Not Detected"
This could be displayed by the time you get to the end of the road, allowing you to return.


Parking Problem:
When you park, it is easy to leave the ignition on and walk away (with keys in your pocket). You then end up with a flat battery, and cannot ride home. Alternatively, an enterprising thief can ride away on the bike, even though you have the keys in your pocket.

Simple solution:
The bike should chirp when it cannot see the key-fob any more (or perhaps the key fob itself should chirp). So as soon as you walk 10 m away, the bike or fob should chirp. This should be set so that the warning does not occur while the bike is in motion.


Rod

 

[brooke]

I’m beginning to feel some of these new advantages must be suppressing sales of some models .

 

[rodders]

I’m beginning to feel some of these new advantages must be suppressing sales of some models .

I did refuse to have car keyless, as my driveway is too close to the doorway and key hooks. So the car would always be unlocked. At least the Triumph key can be turned off.

Generally the keyless system works well, as the keys always sit in my motorcycle jacket pocket, and I can forget about it. But if something upsets that usual routine, the consequence is 20 minutes of rage, a long taxi-ride, and the complete waste of a few hours of my time. All of which does not endear me to the bike.

Plus, the shaft drive is complete shiit - it must have been made in lndia. It has more slack in the system than Jenny at the local whorehouse.

R

 

[CarlS]

I personally hate keyless ignition.

 

[Qship]

I am not of a fan of it either. Seems to have too many issues to justify it's existence. Maybe if they'd get the bugs ironed out better BEFORE mass production. Heard a lot of 1200 Scrambler owners having issues with the finicky system as well.

 

[CarlS]

I am not of a fan of it either. Seems to have too many issues to justify it's existence. Maybe if they'd get the bugs ironed out better BEFORE mass production. Heard a lot of 1200 Scrambler owners having issues with the finicky system as well.

Motorcycle manufacturers have forgotten the KISS formula. But maybe all of this electronic gadgetry is what younger buyers want. But wait until the electronics start breaking and the only place these can be repaired is at the dealerships - for half the price of a brand new bike. The only major manufacturer who has not jumped on this bandwagon is Royal Enfield.

 

[sikatri]

I may perhaps not be a typical motorcycle owner, but absolutely agree with the KISS principle. The type of vehicle a motorcycle always has been just speaks of simplicity. When it gets too tech dependent it tends to lose some of it’s practical value.

 

[ronanjordan]

The keyless ignition system has some real failings.

Departure Problem:
The ignition needs to be on to wheel the bike out of the garage, to unlock the steering. If you now change jackets or leave the your keys in the back door, you can ride to your destination without the keys. And then you are stuck, and cannot ride back.

Simple solution:
The bike should give a screen warning, when it no longer has contact with the key-fob.
. . . "Key Not Detected"
This could be displayed by the time you get to the end of the road, allowing you to return.


Parking Problem:
When you park, it is easy to leave the ignition on and walk away (with keys in your pocket). You then end up with a flat battery, and cannot ride home. Alternatively, an enterprising thief can ride away on the bike, even though you have the keys in your pocket.

Simple solution:
The bike should chirp when it cannot see the key-fob any more (or perhaps the key fob itself should chirp). So as soon as you walk 10 m away, the bike or fob should chirp. This should be set so that the warning does not occur while the bike is in motion.


Rod

I have problem with my wireless key . Someone start the bike even i was approx. 30 m away on public place. They didn't steal it . I chase them and push the guy of the bike end up with only broken mirror. I ride home and use the bike few days . Next day the bike wont start. Key does not work . I wen to the Triumph dealer and they check all . The dealer said the key is bricked cannot write to the key. Also they said the someone can scan the bike and copy the key and brick yours . Options is only to get new key which cost me £400 . The keyless ignition does not give me any confidence

 

[CarlS]

Keyless ignition sucks on a cage as well.

 

[atomsplitter]

The only keyless bike I own is my Speed Triple RS. In the US there's a seperate ignition switch on the engine that has to be turned to ON before you can start the motor. When I park the bike in the garage I make sure that switch is off, and then turn the key fob off (saves fob battery even tho I have 10 spares). I could do that on the road as well, but usually my stops are for gas or coffee and don't need a lot of extra security measures since I'm in plain view of my bike. There's also a sensor if your fob battery dies while on the road that can be used to start the bike with a passive key (dead or missing fob).

From the manual:

Passive Key Operation

To turn the motorcycle on with the passive key (or the smart key battery is discharged):▼ Hold the key on the system sensor located on the right hand side of the motorcycle. ▼ The key needs to be held within+/-0.39 in (10 mm) of the system sensor. Take care not to damage the motorcycle paint work. ▼ The smart key must be held against the system sensor while pressing the Engine Start/Stop switch in either the QUICK START or PowerON/OFF position.

 

[brooke]

Don’t want to sound like a smart ass but that’s exactly why I got the 850 Sport . We just got a new CRV , I was thinking strongly on a Hybrid but you’d have to take 18 or 19 inch wheels , 4 wheel drive and on and on . Ended up $12 K Cdn more to get the the least expensive H bird . The cheap model still has collision avoidance cruise control and shakes the steering wheel when I cross the center line , she says I can be turned off , it’s got so many safety features if I even approach the drivers door it bellows like a mad bull elephant .

 

[ronanjordan]

The only keyless bike I own is my Speed Triple RS. In the US there's a seperate ignition switch on the engine that has to be turned to ON before you can start the motor. When I park the bike in the garage I make sure that switch is off, and then turn the key fob off (saves fob battery even tho I have 10 spares). I could do that on the road as well, but usually my stops are for gas or coffee and don't need a lot of extra security measures since I'm in plain view of my bike. There's also a sensor if your fob battery dies while on the road that can be used to start the bike with a passive key (dead or missing fob).

From the manual:

Passive Key Operation

To turn the motorcycle on with the passive key (or the smart key battery is discharged):▼ Hold the key on the system sensor located on the right hand side of the motorcycle. ▼ The key needs to be held within+/-0.39 in (10 mm) of the system sensor. Take care not to damage the motorcycle paint work. ▼ The smart key must be held against the system sensor while pressing the Engine Start/Stop switch in either the QUICK START or PowerON/OFF position.

I was reading on forums separate ignition switch triumph only have in US and Canada models not in the UK which is odd . The bike start with spare key on the back left end side pillion seat when hold near the sensor but now with wireless key when hold close to the sensor. The wireless key does not work at all. The green light on the key comes on and off but no response

 

[CarlS]

I was reading on forums separate ignition switch triumph only have in US and Canada models not in the UK which is odd . The bike start with spare key on the back left end side pillion seat when hold near the sensor but now with wireless key when hold close to the sensor. The wireless key does not work at all. The green light on the key comes on and off but no response

Nanny government!

 

[sikatri]

I’m sure it’ll improve over time. I’m glad my Triumph is a dinosaur, pre-fob! Sounds complicated. My MINI has a fob you can insert or keep in your pocket and either way the car starts. It doesn’t sound like the Triumph one is that simple.

 

[CarlS]

I’m sure it’ll improve over time. I’m glad my Triumph is a dinosaur, pre-fob! Sounds complicated. My MINI has a fob you can insert or keep in your pocket and either way the car starts. It doesn’t sound like the Triumph one is that simple.

"Over time"!. One day, you young whipper snappers will be old dinosaurs like a few of us here and you will see that over time is pie in the sky!

 

[sikatri]

"Over time"!. One day, you young whipper snappers will be old dinosaurs like a few of us here and you will see that over time is pie in the sky!

I’m beginning to see the light! Does that meaning I’m finally starting to grow up! LoL LoL!

 

[CarlS]

I’m beginning to see the light! Does that meaning I’m finally starting to grow up! LoL LoL!

You are maturing!

 

[sikatri]

You are maturing!

About time!

 

[Vector]

$500 keys
$700 headlights
Crazy!
I should have purchased an older bike. Wish I never sold my 2013 HD Switchback

 

[sikatri]

$500 keys
$700 headlights
Crazy!
I should have purchased an older bike. Wish I never sold my 2013 HD Switchback

There’s a benefit to simple and old!