Removing The Cam Chain Tensioner T100 2020 Engine.

So to help with the anxiety which I do understand. I asked a few questions, like how many engine failures has this particular engine and Triumph model had and how many were determined to be related to a ticking noise prior to warm up? If there’s no definitive numbers and cases or exceedingly relative to numbers produced and engine failure cannot be determined to be related to the ticking sound or is explained by other failure then you’re just going to stress more. I’m not saying you can’t take your whole motorcycle apart, but don’t be surprised if no matter what you do the noise always appears and disappears as it warms up. Some people stress and report these noises, but it’s likely a larger number know it’s exists and accepts it as an engine warming up and keep riding. You can spend your time thinking about the noise or thinking about your next ride and where you want to go. Good luck no matter what you choose to do, but I fear you’re creating an obsession for yourself. I’ve been down this road in 2008 and 2009 listening and discussing the noise our MINIs made prior to warm up. I still have my MINI and the engine still ticks and makes noises prior to warning up. I’ve replaced parts as needed and added about 50 HP and nothing has changed. So look at cases of failure and see if the numbers justify a lot of money in investigating this issue. If this is an issue there will be data to support it.
Sorry.....no idea how many are effected and if its caused failures.....Triumph say I am the only person to contact them.....I know at lest 4 who have.

But of course Triumph would say that,

I am a mechanical person.....a noise in a engine should never be ignored.

Once I start the bike and let it warm and then ride off....I forget about it till the next cold start......there are many more like me are worrying about the watercooled Bonnie motors making this noise....its not just me.
 
Sorry.....no idea how many are effected and if its caused failures.....Triumph say I am the only person to contact them.....I know at lest 4 who have.

But of course Triumph would say that,

I am a mechanical person.....a noise in a engine should never be ignored.

Once I start the bike and let it warm and then ride off....I forget about it till the next cold start......there are many more like me are worrying about the watercooled Bonnie motors making this noise....its not just me.
Well, I’ve given you my perspective and experience with similar issues having also read a lot on similar issues over the years. Yes some noises need to be looked into, but the consensus of thought on noises like this that disappear after an engine warms up is to not do anything about it. I’ve spent some time around car engines myself even professionally. Not an engineer, my specialty later in life was buildings and understanding building systems to some extent. Certainly not the same. I would remind you of the numbers of motorcycles produced and the relatively small number you mentioned that consider this an issue. Is it worth the worry, that’s really your call.
 
Absolutely keep us posted if you do come up with some information and if you take up some of the earlier tips and they work. I did a brief search on the water cooled engine and issues. Didn’t really find anything.
 
Just some perspective on noises. When I was a Reactor Operator at Wolf Creek Nuclear Generating station some years back we were restoring from a refueling outage. During plant warm-up there were some personnel inside Containment doing clean-up when they heard a loud BANG. It was loud enough to a single trigger seismic detection alarm in the Control Room. The heat-up was suspended and an investigation immediately started. After 3 days of inspections, nothing out of the ordinary was found, so heat-up was again started. Reaching operating temps with no other problems plant startup was commenced. We ran the whole fuel cycle with no problems. After the next refueling outage they put monitoring equipment inside Containment to see if the problem resurfaced. Sure enough we got another BANG! Rinse and repeat. The next refueling the NRC was there to watch the heatup and startup, but by that time we had instrumented the crap out of everything inside Containment so when heat-up was started if it went bang we were going to find it. It did, and we discovered that during our heat-up the reactor coolant piping had contracted on cooldown enough to pull away from the pipe shims. During heatup the piping had to grow but was being confined by the shims and when the pipe got hot enough would slip past the shim suddenly and cause the BANG. The piping in question was 29 inch ID stainless steel pipes with 4 inch thick walls, which were full of water, so pretty heavy stuff and when it moved a quarter inch in a split second made a heckuva racket. We ended up replacing the shims the following outage (with teflon coated units) and no more problemo. Mechaincally it sounded nasty, but materially had very little effect. It cost the company about $1 million to find the source of the BANG! As far as they and the NRC were concerned, it was money well spent, as far as actual plant operation and operational longevity, it was money down a rabbit hole, no effect on the plant.

During plant Engineered Safety Features testing following a refueling outage we performed a Safety Injection test to ensure all equipmemt started as designed in case of an emergency. The test went as designed but during the test a loud BANG was heard inside Containment. That bang also set off several seasmic alarms but this time it was actual movement alarms and it was felt in Containment, the Auxiliary Building, and the Communicatons Corridor. The test was started by simultaneously providing a safety injection signal and ESF emergency bus under-voltage signal. This was meant to ensure that if a SI occured and the plant lost power the emergency diesel would start and load emergency equipment automatically to maintain core cooling. Turned out when the test was performed the Plant Service Water system was divorced from the Essential Service Water system (by design) and when the safety related busses were deenergized for the test and the loads sequenced on after emergency diesel generator startup and energization of the electrical bus, enough time had elapsed that a water column seperation occurred in the drain piping from the Contaiment Coolers to the basement of the Auxiliary Building (about 13 seconds). The column seperation estimated at about 60 feet in height in a 30 inch header was collapsed when the ESW Pumps started and started flowing. The collapse of the water column (one water column slamming into a stagnent column) caused the piping to move dramatically in three buildings. That BANG was very significant and cost about $65 million to fix. They had to re-engineer the return piping to the Ultimate Heat Sink to ensure the piping stayed full when water flow was lost for a few seconds (the time between loss of AC power to the bus and EDG startup (up to 12 seconds) and re-energization of the bus plus the 20 to 25 seconds from that point to start of the ESW pumps).

So noises can be nothing or really really something. If it doesn't cause the machine to lurch, it's probably nothing.
 
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Just some perspective on noises. When I was a Reactor Operator at Wolf Creek Nuclear Generating station some years back we were restoring from a refueling outage. During plant warm-up there were some personnel inside Containment doing clean-up when they heard a loud BANG. It was loud enough to a single trigger seismic detection alarm in the Control Room. The heat-up was suspended and an investigation immediately started. After 3 days of inspections, nothing out of the ordinary was found, so heat-up was again started. Reaching operating temps with no other problems plant startup was commenced. We ran the whole fuel cycle with no problems. After the next refueling outage they put monitoring equipment inside Containment to see if the problem resurfaced. Sure enough we got another BANG! Rinse and repeat. The next refueling the NRC was there to watch the heatup and startup, but by that time we had instrumented the crap out of everything inside Containment so when heat-up was started if it went bang we were going to find it. It did, and we discovered that during our heat-up the reactor coolant piping had contracted on cooldown enough to pull away from the pipe shims. During heatup the piping had to grow but was being confined by the shims and when the pipe got hot enough would slip past the shim suddenly and cause the BANG. The piping in question was 29 inch ID stainless steel pipes with 4 inch thick walls, which were full of water, so pretty heavy stuff and when it moved a quarter inch in a split second made a heckuva racket. We ended up replacing the shims the following outage (with teflon coated units) and no more problemo. Mechaincally it sounded nasty, but materially had very little effect. It cost the company about $1 million to find the source of the BANG! As far as they and the NRC were concerned, it was money well spent, as far as actual plant operation and operational longevity, it was money down a rabbit hole, no effect on the plant.

During plant Engineered Safety Features testing following a refueling outage we performed a Safety Injection test to ensure all equipmemt started as designed in case of an emergency. The test went as designed but during the test a loud BANG was heard inside Containment. That bang also set off several seasmic alarms but this time it was actual movement alarms and it was felt in Containment, the Auxiliary Building, and the Commuicatons Corridor. The test was started by simultaneously providing a safety injection signal and ESF emergency bus under-voltage signal. This was meant to ensure that if a SI occured and the plant lost power the emergency diesel would start and load emergency equipment automatically to maintain core cooling. Turned out when the test was performed the Plant Service Water system was divorced from the Essential Service Water system (by design) and when the safety related busses were deenergized for the test and the loads sequenced on after emergency diesel generator startup and energization of the electrical bus, enough time had elapsed that a water column seperation occurred in the drain piping from the Contaiment Coolers to the basement of the Auxiliary Building (about 13 seconds). The column seperation estimated at about 60 feet in height in a 30 inch header was collapsed when the ESW Pumps started and started flowing. The collapse of the water column (one water column slamming into a stagnent column) caused the piping to move dramatically in three buildings. That BANG was very significant and cost about $65 million to fix. They had to re-engineer the return piping to the Ultimate Heat Sink to ensure the piping stayed full when water flow was lost for a few seconds (the time between loss of AC power to the bus and EDG startup (up to 12 seconds) and re-energization of the bus plus the 20 to 25 seconds from that point to start of the ESW pumps).

So noises can be nothing or really really something. If it doesn't cause the machine to lurch, it's probably nothing.
Excellent points and practical examples. It’s important to observe, record and keep some perspective.
 
Just some perspective on noises. When I was a Reactor Operator at Wolf Creek Nuclear Generating station some years back we were restoring from a refueling outage. During plant warm-up there were some personnel inside Containment doing clean-up when they heard a loud BANG. It was loud enough to a single trigger seismic detection alarm in the Control Room. The heat-up was suspended and an investigation immediately started. After 3 days of inspections, nothing out of the ordinary was found, so heat-up was again started. Reaching operating temps with no other problems plant startup was commenced. We ran the whole fuel cycle with no problems. After the next refueling outage they put monitoring equipment inside Containment to see if the problem resurfaced. Sure enough we got another BANG! Rinse and repeat. The next refueling the NRC was there to watch the heatup and startup, but by that time we had instrumented the crap out of everything inside Containment so when heat-up was started if it went bang we were going to find it. It did, and we discovered that during our heat-up the reactor coolant piping had contracted on cooldown enough to pull away from the pipe shims. During heatup the piping had to grow but was being confined by the shims and when the pipe got hot enough would slip past the shim suddenly and cause the BANG. The piping in question was 29 inch ID stainless steel pipes with 4 inch thick walls, which were full of water, so pretty heavy stuff and when it moved a quarter inch in a split second made a heckuva racket. We ended up replacing the shims the following outage (with teflon coated units) and no more problemo. Mechaincally it sounded nasty, but materially had very little effect. It cost the company about $1 million to find the source of the BANG! As far as they and the NRC were concerned, it was money well spent, as far as actual plant operation and operational longevity, it was money down a rabbit hole, no effect on the plant.

During plant Engineered Safety Features testing following a refueling outage we performed a Safety Injection test to ensure all equipmemt started as designed in case of an emergency. The test went as designed but during the test a loud BANG was heard inside Containment. That bang also set off several seasmic alarms but this time it was actual movement alarms and it was felt in Containment, the Auxiliary Building, and the Communicatons Corridor. The test was started by simultaneously providing a safety injection signal and ESF emergency bus under-voltage signal. This was meant to ensure that if a SI occured and the plant lost power the emergency diesel would start and load emergency equipment automatically to maintain core cooling. Turned out when the test was performed the Plant Service Water system was divorced from the Essential Service Water system (by design) and when the safety related busses were deenergized for the test and the loads sequenced on after emergency diesel generator startup and energization of the electrical bus, enough time had elapsed that a water column seperation occurred in the drain piping from the Contaiment Coolers to the basement of the Auxiliary Building (about 13 seconds). The column seperation estimated at about 60 feet in height in a 30 inch header was collapsed when the ESW Pumps started and started flowing. The collapse of the water column (one water column slamming into a stagnent column) caused the piping to move dramatically in three buildings. That BANG was very significant and cost about $65 million to fix. They had to re-engineer the return piping to the Ultimate Heat Sink to ensure the piping stayed full when water flow was lost for a few seconds (the time between loss of AC power to the bus and EDG startup (up to 12 seconds) and re-energization of the bus plus the 20 to 25 seconds from that point to start of the ESW pumps).

So noises can be nothing or really really something. If it doesn't cause the machine to lurch, it's probably nothing.
They can indeed be nothing.....its just the not knowing.
 
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