Thermostat

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Has any one run a thunderbird lt without a thermostat , i dont mean taking the whole stat out just the centre . i have done it many times with cars never head a problem, In my opinion the thunderbird just runs too hot . I have not seen the water pump set up in the engine so don't know if it works by pressure to get to top of cylinder head . Still got original cat on exhaust anyone took them of and put on straight threw pipes noticed any difference in running or temperature
 
Curious, why do you want to run without the thermostat?
 
Curious, why do you want to run without the thermostat?
the thunderbird as a model all seem to run very hot . in my opinion it can not be doing it any good . If you have had one you will know about the noises they make and getting as hot as they do could be the cause of some. I would only remove the centre as you do need some resistance and the outer sometimes is needed to act with the gasket/seal as well as keeping it a reasonable temp as your running
 
I don’t believe it’s a good idea to do what you’ve described. On a simple level the thermostat is a sensor, removing it will leave you with limited information and a warning mechanism. I’m not sure how it’s supposed to run cooler without a thermostat and anything I’ve read discourages disabling it. Perhaps some Thunderbird owners will chime in. Just doesn’t sound like something I would likely do. I’d likely see about an auxiliary fan instead.
 
Has any one run a thunderbird lt without a thermostat , i dont mean taking the whole stat out just the centre . i have done it many times with cars never head a problem, In my opinion the thunderbird just runs too hot . I have not seen the water pump set up in the engine so don't know if it works by pressure to get to top of cylinder head . Still got original cat on exhaust anyone took them of and put on straight threw pipes noticed any difference in running or temperature
How about replacing with a thermostat that is rated to open/function at a lower temperature, thereby helping the engine run cooler?
 
Maybe it's designed to run hot? It's ridden in America where it can be hotter.

Making a noise hot isn't necessarily bad. I know it's not a direct help, but the Meriden bikes get loud when hot. Suppose it's thinner oil. Maybe you could fit an oil cooler?

However, if it is designed to run hot, you might be running it suboptimally. Could even cause internal corrosion as water from combustion not boiling off.
 
Maybe it's designed to run hot? It's ridden in America where it can be hotter.

Making a noise hot isn't necessarily bad. I know it's not a direct help, but the Meriden bikes get loud when hot. Suppose it's thinner oil. Maybe you could fit an oil cooler?

However, if it is designed to run hot, you might be running it suboptimally. Could even cause internal corrosion as water from combustion not boiling off.
I suppose it would help knowing the design operating temperature. No idea what’s normal for these bikes and as noted, not all bikes run at the same spec.
 
They're like modern cars are designed to run at 195F usually. Anything messed with changes operating parameters of the ECU.
 
They're like modern cars are designed to run at 195F usually. Anything messed with changes operating parameters of the ECU.
That's why i asked has anyone removed and i should of asked has anyone changed thermostat . I would of thought in some american states they would have a lower thermostat.
 
That's why i asked has anyone removed and i should have asked has anyone changed thermostat . I would have thought in some american states they would have a lower thermostat.
I’m unfamiliar with your model, does it give actual temperatures? 195F is a high temperature, but if it’s normal would be interesting to know what temperature yours is running at.
 
If it's the noises that are a concern when hot, it might be using a higher number oil will reduce this, not be so thin at high temperature. Not saying do it, just throwing it out there.
 
OE thermostat should be listed in the T'bird service manual in the sticky section.
 
Remove the thermostat and it will take a lot longer for the engine oil to get to running temperature. That can have an overall deterimental effect on long term engine performance. The cooling system is designed to operate in a specific range of temperatures controlled by the thermostat. If your engine is running hot and assuming the system is clean then the thermostat may be faulty. I was at Metric Motorsports in Lewisville yesterday dropping my Trophy off for some carb work when my son-in-law noticed a Triumph Street Triple on the shop lift. The mechanic showed us what was wrong with the bike, the cooling system was fully 100% blocked at the outlet of the pump. The owner had put some kind of additive in the coolant and it had turned to a gelatinous mass that hardened into a brick under temperature. The result was a blown head gasket as coolant steam pressure found the weak point in the system.

If you want some heat exchanger theory here you go: heat exchange rate is determined by three factors, the coolant mass flow rate, the specific heat capacity of the coolant, and the differential temperature between the heat source and the heat sink. Mass flow rate is a function of the pump and internal flow resistance in the system. We can disregard the Reynolds number for piping flow resistance here since we're onl;y concerned with the pump output and the thermostat's resistance to flow. When the engine is up to operating temperature the thermostat is maintaining a temperature band by modulating the flow through the radiator. The engine should operate in this band regardless of the outside air temperature (heat sink) as the thermostat and system design capacity is made to accomodate a very wide heat sink temperature band. So if you ride the bike in 20 degree F or 105 degrees F the engine temps are maintained around 190 degrees F. If you want a lower temperature in the engine get a colder rated thermostat. Removing the thermostat completely will provide max flow all the time so the bike will operate in a wide band of temperatures. At 20 degrees F it might be running at 90 degrees F and at 105 degrees F it might be running at 175 degrees F. (Examples only not a calculated value). With no thermostat the system flow rate doesn't change, specific heat capacity is determined by the coolant used, and the differential temperatures between source and sink will change, thus varying the operating temperatures.

Part of the reason for running the temps up toward 200 degrees F is to drive off any water in the oil which is detrimental to the engine internals. This moisture is first vaporized by temperature in the oil then routed through the crankcase ventilation system and out of the motor. Operating the motor at 90 degrees F will not drive that moisture out of the oil and you have water running around your engine's friction surfaces. Good luck with that.

One more note on coolants, there are a lot of snake oil sellers that will tell you they have an additive that can reduce engine temperatures. The best coolant is water and nothing but water, demineralized, degassified, water. The specific heat capacity of H2O is a LOT. It takes 1170 BTU's to turn one pound mass of water into one pound mass of steam (it only takes 1 BTU to raise 1 pound mass of water 1 degree F). Anything you add to water (like antifreeze) reduces its specific heat capacity. The engineers that design an engine and cooling system take the specific heat capacity of a 50/50 mix water and antifreeze into account when designing the cooling system to operate in a specific heat range under a wide variety of environmental conditions. If you want your cooling system to be the most efficient, make sure it's clean and has the proper coolant mix and the thermostat is operating in the proper range.
 
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